Hey, this is Madalyn Sklar and Suze Cooper and you're listening to All Things Audio.

Suze Cooper 0:14

And let's start with this very first story. I mean, last week, our top story, we were shocked by the removal of captions. I think that this top story might actually trump that in terms of shock factor. This week, we saw quite a few tweets Madalyn, from various different places with this screenshot showing that Twitter are going to be removing previously recorded broadcasts. Now, there's been a bit of speculation about what that can actually be defined as, but obviously, for us, we're most concerned about whether or not that might impact Spaces. Madalyn, what are your thoughts?

Madalyn Sklar 0:52

Yeah, this news has been circulating like yesterday and Monday all about this, this new thing where you know, Twitter Live and Periscope broadcasts are, you're no longer gonna have access. Now Twitter kind of did away with Periscope. I mean, it was kind of there for a long while, even though they had said they had removed it. But you have to figure that was a lot of storage space they were paying for. So it actually makes sense that they want to remove all that from the servers, we know Elon is trying to save a lot of money right now for the company and make it profitable. So to me, it makes sense to get rid of these old, old live streams and just let make an announcement that, hey, if you have these recorded, you've done these, you know, recorded broadcasts in the past, you might want to go download them, because, you know, we were planning to remove them. But we all started speculating, like, Okay, what about Spaces., replays? We weren't hearing anything specific about spaces. And we're all starting to wonder, okay, that is cool. Because we all know, or many of us know, from the early days as Spaces. hosts, we had found out a few years ago that Periscope, you know, is still intact. And that's how Spaces., that's how we have this awesome Twitter Spaces is running on the old Periscope platform. It's just minus the video part, just the audio only. So I think that's why so many of us are like, Okay, does this include Spaces. or not? Because we know Spaces is part of the periscope platform?

Suze Cooper 2:24

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think kind of the bigger picture of this is the fact that there have been stories around and about talking about how much Elon owned owes Amazon for the AWS storage, I mean millions and millions and millions of dollars, that haven't potentially exchanged hands. Obviously, that is, is paying for storage on the AWS platform. And if that's not going to be paid for, and not going to be there any more than there won't be anywhere to store anything. And I think that covers a blanket of everything in my head, including Spaces, like, I don't think there's going to be like a separate little storage place for Spaces. You know, I think, essentially, whatever the route is between Amazon and Elon, and whatever bills may or may not need to be paid at the end of the day, if if that's the, you know, storage system that's being used, and it sounds as though that might be removed, then, in my mind, it may well impact Spaces., which would be a real shame, because obviously, you know, I mean, we started out recording this Madalyn because we wanted to capture it. And initially there was no way of recording and having a replay of your social audio, Twitter space. So we kind of made it happen ourselves by creating it as a podcast and recording it and letting people know it was being recorded. But you know, we waited and waited and we thought they would put recording in and they did and then replays eventually came along as well. The thought of it not being there now, just really does feel like quite a massive thing. Yeah, it's

Madalyn Sklar 4:12

definitely concerning. And I wish there was just be a better explanation since so many of us are speculating about this. But there I've got a whole bunch of tweets in the nest is kind of like showing how this thread has been unfolding over the past couple of days. And it actually first came out through a reporter Katie Noto polis, I'm not sure if I'm saying her name, right. And she has a whole thread about this and in the nest here, I have a tweet where she says she actually thinks that this isn't about Spaces audio, but just those old live video streams. But then she makes this interesting comment she goes either way, there isn't actually any information about it in the help centre like directs you and how to go find or download any of these old ones. So I thought that was First thing but then you chimed in on her thread Suze I thought this was so smart of you to just let her know at least how to go and download all your Twitter data and that, should I, we no Spaces is in there. But we are Periscope videos on there too. I'm not sure if they are.

Suze Cooper 5:16

I don't know, I don't remember. But I mean, certainly it isn't straightforward, as we know, to kind of get hold and get hold of and download our previous spaces from the platform it is a full on. You know, you have to request it, you have to wait for it. And then even when it comes, I mean Madelyne yours was so, so huge, so many gigabytes of of stuff from your timeline, videos, audio, you know, tweets, links, all different things, that you couldn't even download it in one go. And I think, you know, it sounds easy. Oh, yeah, just go along and save the stuff that you want before we clear it off. But it really isn't that easy. And as as Katie found, you know, there's there's nothing anywhere kind of clearly stating how you go about doing that, though? I mean, we definitely spoke about it quite a lot a few months back about how to do it. We talked people through it. But yeah, it's not a straightforward process. It is possible, just not straightforward.

Madalyn Sklar 6:18

Exactly. And yeah, I mean, it's definitely frustrating the way they have this available through the Twitter data, I've done it so many times, it has never worked, I've never been able to access it. Now the only way I can get my hands on an mp3 download of Spaces that I host has to be once I host myself is through a site called flow, Jen and you have I have been using Flojin, I have an actual tweet I have in the nest from them, because I did reach out to them yesterday as part of this thread you and I have been on asking them will this impact their ability to continue allowing us to access our mp3 downloads, and they came back and said as long as Twitter stores it for at least a few hours, they can go fetch it. And so what I typically do if I need an easy way to get my mp3 of space I host I go to Flojin.com and it's free, you can sign up for a free account. And you can go and download. It doesn't let me do it for other hosts. I don't know if you have the same thing Suze but like I can go to your profile or somebody else's in there. And I can't I can listen to the replay. But I can't download it, I only want I'm in mine.

Suze Cooper 7:31

Yeah. And that was one of the things when they were setting it up that they were very clear about in terms of the ownership of that audio. I know there was a lot of concern from hosts that, you know, if anybody could download anybody else's audio, then they could do whatever they liked with it. And it might be played somewhere out of context or edited in a way that they weren't keen on or used without their knowledge. So I think this was kind of flowed into way of trying to make sure that that didn't happen, so that you could only download the stuff that you had hosted. And that was kind of your content. But yeah, good. Good to know that that that that third party is there to step into the breach? Should they all disappear from Twitter, which as we say, it's completely, you know, there is nothing concrete about this, this, the information that is out there on Twitter this week is as vague as ever regarding how this might impact anything, let alone Spaces. And, you know, it's good to know that that flowed in. If you know, Twitter is storing some of the audio for a little while they may well still be able to fetch it and, and and store it. But you know, again, that probably opens up another can of worms in terms of that can only happen as long as splurging can access the API. And as we know, there has certainly been various conversations and issues with third party apps, and you know, costs and all sorts of things around that since Elon is taken over. So yeah, fingers crossed for all of it, I think is is all we can do right now.

Madalyn Sklar 9:03

Exactly, exactly. But you know, with you and I recording this as a podcast. You know, we do this live in Spaces, but we're both because we're both longtime podcasters you know, we have the gear, we have the ability in the know how to record locally on our own computers, or through our zoom recorders or road casters and have a good clean copy that will not be affected with how the internet is acting in Spaces. And so at minimum, we're able to make a really high quality, nice podcast version of this space. And then we're also able to access when we have the q&a later in the show. And you're able to take an mp3 download of that or you're probably getting it right through your Roadecaster, right?

Suze Cooper 9:44

Yeah that's right. Yeah, I feed it through the, through the through the channel, I feed the whole space through so I've actually got it recording into Adobe Audition on a separate track the full space. So I end up with all of the audio to put together for the podcast. version at the end. Yeah.

Madalyn Sklar 10:01

And I have the ability to do that too now with the Zoom contract for recorder, because with me being on my iPhone in Spaces right now, it uses one of the tracks, and it is recording it right now. So, you know, it's nice that I now have a backup for you in case you have an issue. And then you've used flotation as a backup when you needed an mp3.

Suze Cooper 10:22

I have but you know what, I have also replayed the space from Twitter into various recording stuff. A very pinch when I've totally messed everything up. If something hasn't worked, if the computer's gone down, whatever's happened. It's a real time solution. But hey, if you need the audio, and that's a way of getting it then that was what I had to do in the early days.

Suze Cooper 10:46

So you're like me, Suze is like when there's a roadblock, you find a way around it. And that's, that's why I love working with you. Because we both think alike when it comes to stuff like that. There's always a way there's always a way around it. And then you came across another interesting thing related to Twitter spaces. I'm gonna stick that in the nest for you to talk about.

Suze Cooper 11:05

Yeah, I was excited about this. So a Twitter account called discussing film, hosted a Twitter space, March the third, where they interviewed Guillermo del Toro about the Pinocchio film that was recently released. It was just such a nice little nugget and nice use case forSspaces. You know, they, they interviewed him, they chatted with him, they made him into a real human being for me, you know, I mean, obviously, I've I've read stuff about the Pinocchio film I've seen the Pinocchio film now I've heard Guillermo del Toro speaking about it on Spaces. I was really interested in the way that they set up accepting questions from their Twitter followers in the days running up to it, they asked them all to use the hashtag chat GDT so that they could send in their questions so that they could be passed over to Guillermo, during the conversation, it was an hour long 20,000 I think at the last look on the Spaces card for it work have listened to it. Yeah, just a really nice kind of nugget of a use case in terms of like, here's a way that an account that is all about film that will have followers that, you know, see there several tweets a day about various things in the film industry and various celebrities using Spaces to their advantage. And, you know, 20,000 people tuning in, isn't to be sneezed at. So it was brilliant, the one thing I would have asked them to do is to pin that tweet, because they really do tweet a lot. And I had to scroll a really long way to find that, even though I knew they were doing it. And yeah, I think you know, something like this, if you created a piece of content like that. And I did also see some PR around it as well. You know, it would would have been great to just be able to go to the account and to have that as their pin tweet. And I could have just instantly replayed it then in there. But yeah, I did have to do a little bit of scrolling to find it. But yeah, just a really nice way of sort of linking Spaces into the content that you're already creating. I just thought it was a nice one.

Madalyn Sklar 13:14

Yeah, that's a great use case for Spaces for sure. There's so many ways to use Twitter Spaces, I think, uncovering this as is such a great example. So I really appreciate you sharing that with everybody today. Now we got Spotify news to share. There's a lot happening with Spotify today. Did you know ahead of time that today was going to be like the Spotify day of changes because I was not even aware till I got into Twitter this morning and just start seeing all kinds of craziness showing up in my feed.

Suze Cooper 13:44

Well, there's been like that the Future of Audio conference has been going on there's obviously like Podcast Movement evolutions, or, you know, stuff going on in Vegas, all of that. So I guess now is kind of the time for all these things to be coming out and happening. But goodness, you know, they just choose a Wednesday an hour before we go live just to ensure that we're on our toes, right?

Madalyn Sklar 14:03

It's always on Wednesdays when there's breaking news. I like I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't, you know, because this happens to us every single week. Suze, I'm always scrambling at the last minute to get all these tweets ready in my bookmarks, so I can easily pop them in the nest. But just a few hours ago, Chris Messina, I mean, look, I'm glad I have them in a Twitter list that I checked multiple times a day. And this just popped up. I know Spotify, you know, he's making big changes to the app, and we're gonna talk about that in a minute. But I wasn't expecting to see that. The anchor app and anchor is owned by Spotify is a very popular way for people to podcast especially beginners that from this tweet, it looks like as a total rebrand instead of it being an anchor is now going to be Spotify for podcasters. So I don't for me, this totally came out of left field. What are your thoughts about this?

Suze Cooper 14:56

Yeah, I mean, I didn't see this coming at all. Um, as you say, anchors been part of Spotify for a really long time. They do, you know, say on the webpage and in various places, it's always Anchor from Spotify, you know, and but it's sort of a bit of an afterthought of, of the logo, almost. But yeah, I mean, at the moment, it looks like a reskin, and a rebrand as opposed to kind of changing very much kind of nuts and bolts wise practically for the app. But who knows? There's not very much information about it. As I say it was only sort of announced hours ago. It did make me wonder whether or not I mean, anchor has always prided itself on being you know, the free podcast host for podcasters. You can you can go there and host your podcast for free on anchor, and they've always said they will always be free. I wonder if anchor would always be free. But perhaps Spotify for podcasters? Might not, which would be Oh, I'm I'm really putting a downer on all the stuff on AI today. I'm really sorry. But yeah, again, total conjecture. But I just wonder whether that might be a thought that we might lose that, that niceness on it. But yeah, at the moment, it just looks like they've changed a logo, they've turned the Spotify green into purple. Purple is clearly an audio colour. Because you know, we're here in purple Spaces. And yeah, let's wait and see what else comes of that as anchor disappears. And Spotify for podcasters becomes real.

Madalyn Sklar 16:24

Yeah, this is going to be interesting, there's podcasts I listened to that, that these are like newer podcasters. So they're really into using Anchor. And there's some that I listen to where they actually do a shout out to anchor as part of their intro in the podcast. And it's like, well, now some of these people are going to rebrand their intros when they're sitting here talking about how great anchor is, and change it to Spotify for podcasters doesn't roll off the tongue as well as anchor.

Suze Cooper 16:49

Now that's gonna that's gonna be a nuisance for them having to like redo all their generics. But, I mean, what I love about anchor as well is this, you know, you can make that playlist on Anchor Spotify podcast is now whereby you can play things from Spotify, you know, without any copyright issues, licencing issues, all of that, because you're literally playing it from Spotify, which I've always thought is really clever. So it you know, there's a lot, there's a lot of good over there and different things that you can do. Format wise with that as well. So yeah, interesting to see where they'll go from here.

Madalyn Sklar 17:28

Yeah, and in this tweet from Chris Messina, there's a link to the Apple App Store page. And when I click on that to see like, yeah, I want to just know more about this rebrand. The first thing it says is Spotify for podcasters, formerly known as anchor, is the easiest way to create and share your podcast. And it's like, was this news under wraps? And that's why like, there weren't, I had did not see any leaks, nothing. I mean, that's why I was just so surprised that as this got officially analysis, like, I didn't even hear me talk about that. Usually, we hear leaks of things before they happen. We talk about leaks a lot here, because it's so common for them to get, you know, think information and news to come out before something actually happens.

Suze Cooper 18:13

But I do wonder as well, if perhaps the press that's been going on around Spotify, you know, around the cuts, they're around the the potential over investment that they made in podcasting. According to Daniel Ek, you know, perhaps this is a way of saying, look, we are still here, we are still doing it, we're still supporting podcasters, we're still, we've still got podcasts on our platform, because I wonder whether all of that negative press had such an impact that they felt they needed to do something that would powerfully push them forward within the podcast industry in a different direction to kind of leave all of that behind. So I wonder if this is it, but you're right. I wasn't expecting it. I haven't seen it anywhere. It's an interesting one.

Madalyn Sklar 19:01

Yeah, I even did a little Google searching just to see more news about this. And I did not find very much. But we also have found out today that there's a brand new version of the Spotify app that's been unveiled to their millions of subscribers. And I did. I'm not a big Spotify user. But I did go into the app today. And I was like, Whoa, this is very different. It feels like I'm in Instagram or tick tock and I have a couple of tweets and the next one from CBS News with this information as well as an interesting article from The Verge talking about how this new design in their eyes is like part Tiktok part Instagram in part YouTube, interesting how all these platforms do now is copy each other.

Suze Cooper 19:43

I know I know. And I mean, I tweeted this earlier. I retweeted it, and I've put Well, part Tiktok video, Part Insta definitely visual if not video with reels because let's face it, they're getting the most attention part YouTube full video is still an order Your platform, right though? You know, there's a lot there that is very visual. The the reason you know the change in the UI is very much about being able to flick through things, scroll through stuff. See what you like this short form video type content? I don't know. It's an audio platform. So yeah, let's, let's see, they've clearly done them. Sure they've done their research. They know their audience. They know what other apps their audience are tapping into and staying on the platform for and Tik Tok is clearly a format that lots of others are now chasing and trying to go after. I just not sure about it on a more do platform than I I've yet to be convinced. Put it that way.

Madalyn Sklar 20:49

Yeah, same here. But I did find in the app, it was easier for me to find podcasts and do some discovering in there, which I think is a good plus, for those of us that are podcasters when people are in Spotify. I I feel like the app is a little bit easier to use. But it's very different than what it was.

Suze Cooper 21:09

Yeah, I think what they're saying is that it's gonna lean a lot more on their AI and their data and recommending stuff. So they want to be able to put stuff in front of you that you might not have found otherwise. So that's that's, you know, it's an interesting taken an interesting way of, of going about it to make sure that it's visual lead. But yeah, interesting to see such a huge overhaul, and to see how people will react to that over the coming days.

Madalyn Sklar 21:42

Yeah, very interesting. I'm sure we'll be hearing more in the next few weeks, and we'll continue discussing it. Amazon. Yeah. We've been talking about them lately. Haven't we, Suze? We have so they keep popping up in the news.

Suze Cooper 21:55

I know. Last week, we were talking about the fact that they'd announced that replays were coming to Amazon Amp. And we hadn't heard about Amazon Amp for weeks, maybe months even Madalyn before that. Had we? So yeah, what did you find?

Madalyn Sklar 22:11

Well, so I was reading through this really interesting thread, I'm putting the tweets to it. Not the whole thread, but I'm putting three tweets in the nest that I thought were interesting. So this thread starts off saying, What if we told you that you can now replace shows you miss live on air, and I'm like, oh, okay, I like the sound of this, keep going. And then it says starting today, if you miss a live show, don't fret, the replay will be available for two weeks. I'm like, Okay, I like hearing stuff like this, because as we've talked about many times here in all things, audio in the past two years, we like the ability to have replays for audio shows. But then it says, Well, every show, this is like further down in this thread. Will every show be replayed, you'll be able to listen to hand selected shows we know you'll love. I'm like, oh, okay, these are probably, you know, the biggest of the big shows that are paying for advertising that are gonna get hand selected in air quotes. So yeah, I wasn't too happy with that part is like, you know why? You got to make this kind of an announcement, especially that first tweet in the thread. It makes it sound like it's for all of them. What's your thoughts?

Suze Cooper 23:19

Click bait it was I think. Yeah, unfortunately, it definitely seems as though it's going to be very much selected shows from Amazon Amp. I ended up with a I'm signed up to the amp newsletter. So this dropped into my inbox earlier today, actually, to say the replays were coming to Amazon Amp. And for a limited time, I could listen to the Nicki Minaj Queen radio show, lovesick radio, the radio show, and the black Barbie show. They were the four that I can go to straightaway and hit a replay button to listen to, of course, I hit it. And I can't listen to anything because it's not available in the UK. And yeah, and a limited time, which is Morgan then added to my thread and explained that's currently believed to be two weeks. So you're going to have to get in quick if you want to get to these replays. Again, I wonder if it's to do with storage. It's to do with you know, does the platform want to be storing this stuff? It's going to take up a lot of space, you know that the length of time that they store it for if they store it indefinitely, that's going to be you know, an awful lot of storage over time. Yeah, interesting. Interesting. For those of you who weren't here, right at the beginning, I was trying to create a live transcript using otter.ai owing to the fact that Spaces has stopped captions and I want to be able to offer captions.

Madalyn Sklar 24:56

George first explain otter because not everybody here knows even knows what that isn't as soon as you know, we've been using George has been using otter for our Saturday space over these past few years. And it is really a nice thing to have a live transcript that you can go back and see, you can watch it live. And especially now that we know that space is has turned off, Twitter has turned off captioning, but it's also nice to go back to be able to refer back to it. So George, can you first explain to everybody what Otter is?

George Silverman 25:25

Sure, it is a recording and transcript service. It also uses AI to summarise the discussion as it's going along, which I haven't really mastered how to use it. But you can also highlight parts of the discussion. So as of discussions going along, it's going through AI and doing a speech to text transcript. That's a first pass AI, which is pretty damn good. It's actually spectacularly good. Especially compared to I was a beta tester for Dragon when when text to speech first speech to text first came out. It's now astounding. We were predicting in those days that this crazy thing would come along where would actually let you transcribe a group of people whose voices you hadn't trained it on, which was seemed crazy at the time. And now it's of course, not considered to be unusual at all. So it's doing a transcript and a recording. And you can publish either people you've approved or anybody who has the link. So you can get the link and publish it. And they can watch the transcript being made in real time. Unlike the script, which is a similar service, which allows editing capable, phenomenal editing capabilities, which has not gone live yet, despite my urging them to do so and complaints and all that, but hopefully they'll get it eventually. So here's what happens, you get the transcript. When it's over, it does another pass, it doesn't a deeper AI pass. And it cleans it up to an even better level. You're going through your iPhone, into your mixer. And you're also going to and from your desktop or laptop. To and From your mixer, if you unplug the the connection between your desktop I'll call it and your broadcaster and then plug it back in again. Otter will detect it and start recording both sides of the conversation. So think of you play around with plugging it and unplugging it and getting it to recognise the audio source. It's just looking at the audio bus on the on the desktop, I believe.

Madalyn Sklar 28:15

So otter.ai is their website. I just grabbed their pin tweet stuck in the nest if you want to learn more about them, they have a brand new Chrome extension. And descript is a phenomenal tool. And especially if you're like new into podcasting, you're trying to edit yourself like George was talking about. You can you can like pull out words. And this isn't a it's an amazing tool. Yeah, it's it's impressive. We need to get on to our next speaker George. Let's hear from Michael.

Michael Sterling 28:44

Hello, friends. I think the Spotify news is really interesting in the way that they're sort of rejiggering the interface on the app because it really does feel like they're trying to be a big player in a number of segments with this, you know, they may be taking on YouTube a little bit with video stuff. You know, why post your stuff on YouTube? you can have your video podcast on Spotify. And I don't know, that could be interesting. Yeah, I'm just looking forward to seeing where they go with this because Spotify really does have an advantage in that they have all of the music licencing agreements already that allow these other players don't have. And so in that way, plus, with the podcasting that they've already established, they're way ahead of the game in those fields, which a lot of people still care about music and they still care a lot about podcasts. So, it may be that Spotify is approaching some of this from a different direction than YouTube is because YouTube is adding podcasts to their video, while Spotify is adding you know, other video elements to the podcast stuff, but yeah, we'll just have to see how this plays out over the next while

Suze Cooper 30:00

Yeah, I'm really interested in what you said there about, you know, obviously, video podcasting we've discussed a little bit in in recent weeks about, you know, the definition of a video, podcast and all of that kind of stuff, as you say, potentially. We feel like YouTube are going out, you know, they're definitely going after the podcasting market, they're going to do something with podcasts, and it's gonna be more video lean than not because they are a video platform. I mean, there's still not actually done anything with it yet. But do you feel then like this is kind of Spotify is play against against YouTube's?

Michael Sterling 30:38

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Because I mean, if you think about it, the format of so many programmes on YouTube, they're basically video podcasts, except they don't have the RSS feed. And they haven't been called podcast, but in a lot of ways they are. So if you think about it, for a lot of channels on YouTube, it would not be a heavy lift, to at least also put those series that they do and programmes onto Spotify, and have another channel of distribution.

Suze Cooper 31:05

Yeah, really interesting. That is such an interesting point.

George Silverman 31:09

That's clearly Elon's ambition - he wants to bring a lot of audio and video over to Twitter. Clearly.

Suze Cooper 31:21

Michael, I just want to come back to you and say, you know, we're talking there about Spotify and the different changes. Obviously, we've got anchor turning into Spotify for podcasters. We've got a brand new UI on the main Spotify app. Dare I mentioned Spotify Live?

Michael Sterling 31:38

[sarcastically] How dare you! No!

Suze Cooper 31:43

[laughing] Do you think we can expect anything from that?

Michael Sterling 31:46

Oh, well, you know, okay, so here, I'm a big social audio guy. I've posted stuff here on Twitter. I've hosted stuff on clubhouse. I've been on Spotify live, I've tried wisdom wasn't a big fan, but you know, teach throne, you know, and I've done the social audio thing. And Spotify. They have just kept dragging Spotify live along, they got it when it was locker room, they rebranded it to green room, and then it didn't go anywhere, then it was all the gems. Yeah, there's all stuff but like it sticks around us. It's it's that cat that just won't go away. So I wonder if Spotify really does have some plans for social audio, and they're just trying to figure out the best direction to go with it. Because they see the benefit. They're just, I don't know, trying to figure things out. I mean, I mentioned this in our DMs earlier, I don't think it's going out on a limb to think that in the next few years, maybe Spotify would look at clubhouse as an acquisition, bring along the community and all of the engineers and other mind, because I always thought it would be best for that kind of really interesting that really could.

Suze Cooper 32:56

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, when you put that into our DMs earlier, I just thought that is just such a fascinating thing to consider. I mean, I feel like these two Spotify pieces of breaking news that happened earlier happened within kind of hours of each other. And if they were gonna announce anything about Spotify live or social audio, we kind of would have heard it by now. If it was gonna be within this kind of tranche of announcements. Yeah. They haven't killed it, have they? So potentially, they are just sitting there wondering what to do with it. And as you say that the thought of kind of picking up clubhouse once it's got its house in order, and potentially building off of that. I mean, yeah, any I mean, anything's possible. Anything's possible. Amazing.

Madalyn Sklar 33:48

And other thing I wanted to ask Michael, I'd love to get your opinion on what we were discussing at the top of the hour, which is the big news this week of Twitter, you know, not wanting to pay for all this storage space of Twitter Live and Periscope, do you think that's going to affect Spaces? What's your take on that? Well,

Michael Sterling 34:06

it very well could. I mean, it's nice to think that it would just be the old Periscope stuff. But it's all part of the same platform and infrastructure that that they're using. I mean, Periscope, became Twitter Spaces. And so it might be that they can say before a certain date before Twitter Spaces existed, all that stuff's gonna go away. I don't know. They're gonna do what they're gonna do, but I know that they've got to save a lot of money. So I mean, it could be that and this is a thought I've had for a little while now with Twitter Spaces that Elon is going to make hosting on Spaces and being able to record those Spaces part of Twitter blue, so that you know, there's people have some financial skin in the game when they are going to host the space and they get a recording out of it and so on. You know, it makes sense. I have a feeling he's not just gonna let that continue to go, you know, be given away for free. So I think Twitter Spaces will remain, but it's going to be for hosting a paid sort of thing coming soon.

Madalyn Sklar 35:13

Yeah, that makes sense.

Michael Sterling 35:14

For sure, sure. And they might even be able to figure out a thing where, you know, if you did previously have Periscope recordings, or Twitter Spaces or whatever, they will give you a grace period to, you know, sign up for Twitter Blue. But after a certain date, if you haven't signed up for blue, that stuff's gone. So I don't know whether it'd be interesting to see what how this rolls out.

Suze Cooper 35:35

Yeah, I think you could very well be right, then it may well be kind of premium feature for, for those Twitter blue subscribers, or, you know, you can get a replay, but only if you're paying the subscription or all of those kinds of things. Yeah, still, you know, another step, another week on the journey of what's going to happen next on Twitter, Madalyn, we survived another week on Spaces.

Madalyn Sklar 35:57

Yes! We're still here.

George Silverman 36:01

Twitter Spaces is actually two parallel systems. The listeners to this space are on a different system than the speakers.

Madalyn Sklar 36:15

It is two servers. Because I was on the very first space I was on what was this was before it was officially launched. It was and I've told this story before this, it was Twitter employees. And somehow I ended up in this Space, because I see the purple glow at the top and the Fleets bar. And there was you could really tell the difference between the audio of the speakers versus the audio coming through for the listeners. And they were doing a test. And they disclosed that it was it's all on the periscope platform. But it was two different servers. And there was a huge delay at the time. And so they were trying to figure out the delay

George Silverman 36:50

There's also the fidelity. The speakers, and hosts and speakers and host co-hosts and speakers hear it with higher fidelity, less delay. And much, much better. But I wish they'd put it all on one. Because of this, bringing somebody up from listener to speaker has that lag that I find very clumsy and and conversation shutting down.

Madalyn Sklar 37:17

Well that'll probably have to do something with the old Periscope platform, it was probably too difficult for them to rewrite it. So they're just working with what they already have. And let's think about how long ago did Periscope launch a very long time ago. That was that was early days of live streaming or it was mere as some of y'all may remember this, it was Meerkat, then Periscope, then Facebook Live. So for those of you like oh, yeah, Facebook Live has been around a long time. It was Meerkat first. And then like I think what a week or two later, then all of a sudden here comes Periscope. Twitter buys them right away when they saw the power of this platform. But another thing to think about too, when it comes to Spaces is that we have not had the ability to record and replace Spaces for a good long while. So it's really not going to be that much of it in storage, I would think compared to something like years and years and years of Periscope and Twitter lives which is video, which is going to be a much larger file than audio. And years and years of them just sitting there, doorman because let's face it, who has done a pair a Twitter live or a periscope five or 10 years ago, that is still utilising that video, it actually makes sense for them to offload it, why would they spend the money to keep it?

Suze Cooper 38:34

As you say, Madalyn I think I think the only saving grace in the storage question is that audio will be a smaller file than all of those video files, if that's what they're gonna get rid of, you know, anyone that's managing their own hard drive is going to, you know, sort that into order of what's the biggest files that I can get rid of first, right? So a video is going to float to the top in that in that respect. So you know, we can hope that they're not going to chop it and they're not going to take it away. I feel like it's an integral part of Spaces. To be able to have the recording and the replay, we spoken about not using the platforms that don't record the audio like LinkedIn. And you know, one of the main reasons for not being over there is that we can't offer a replay, you have to be live there in the room to be able to experience the audio conversation. So I really think that it's so integral to what Spaces does, you know, even that Guillermo del Toro interview that we were talking about, a lot of that will be replays, it's not that they had 20,000 people listening right in there while it was happening, you know, 1000s and 1000s of people, me included will have listened to it on the replay this this space, you know, yes, we've got, you know, 20 people may be in here now, but there will be between 100 and 150. Maybe 200 even listens to this over the next week and that will build as well over the next month. So the replays really are integral to what Spaces is and what it does now. And I just hope that that is understood and protected for us by whoever there is the other end of Twitter right now.

George Silverman 40:10

And one thing that they're missing a big boat on not doing private ones. I mean, if I would do a private one, especially one that I want to have paid only have to go over to clubhouse to do it. Can't do it here.

Suze Cooper 40:25

Again. I mean, maybe that comes with the subscription. Maybe that becomes part of Twitter Blue. Certainly the ticketed Spaces never completely took off, never really rolled out. It always felt like there was a bigger plan for that, and a plan that we really didn't realise before Elon took over anyway. And I'm sure he's now got his own plans, which, as we've said, he's keeping it all very close to his chest. It's all very vague. So we've just got to we've just got to wait and see. But yeah, I'm celebrating every week that we are here that we are still live on Spaces, Madalyn, and we intend to be that said, we are taking next week off, aren't we Madalyn?

Madalyn Sklar 41:01

Yeah, we will not be here next week. We're both going to be off next week. But we'll be back in two weeks. So mark your calendar. Thank you to all of our speakers who came on and shared so much great stuff, and we're available and all of your favourite podcast apps were out there all things audio, you can also go to all things audio podcast.com as well.

Suze Cooper 41:26

You certainly can. And you can catch us here on Twitter and use the hashtag all things audio, and we'll pick that up throughout the week. So that's it for this week. But thank you so much to everyone that's been here in the space with us and those of you listening, and we'll catch up with you next week. Bye everybody.

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